Showing posts with label competitive. Show all posts
Showing posts with label competitive. Show all posts

Tuesday, June 5, 2018

The Punishment Round! What about it?

The agony of defeat -- literally!  Let's talk about the Punishment Round!

First off: 

What is the Punishment Round?  



I hope most of you readers may know, but if by some chance you're not quite sure, I will enlighten you!

The Punishment Round is a special "bonus round" that we added to the ends of our competitive matches, as of November 2016.  This special round takes place after the match winner has been declared, and it is a chance for the winner to punish and torment the defeated opponent for losing.  The punishment usually takes the form of the winner's favorite wrestling holds, which the winner can now apply on the loser, unresisted, as hard or as long as she or he desires.

Sometimes the punishment-administering winners will lock on their holds and squeeze/crank until the loser taps out due to the pain.  The winner may tighten the same hold again and again to make the loser submit over and over.  Sometimes the winner locks on a hold and uses it as a chance to pose with the loser, or to enjoy the view of the loser's discomfort, or even to contort the loser into a humiliating position that doesn't necessarily cause a tap-out.



It's freedom of choice for the winner!  She can choose whatever suits her mood: classic "underground wrestling" style holds (ex: scissors and facesitting), competitive-style submission holds (ex: arm locks, triangles, etc), pro-style wrestling holds (ex: Camel Clutch, Lotus Lock, etc), or something unusually creative.

Why a Punishment Round?

The original concept for our Punishment Round was part of a special commission request from a patron.  This patron had sponsored a competitive match between VeVe Lane and Miss Scorpion in November 2016.  However, he had requested that instead of the usual 20-minute long wrestling match that, rather, the ladies have a 15-minute match with a 5-minute "Punishment Round."

The reason for including the Punishment Round was that the patron wanted to see a truly competitive match, but he also wanted to see certain holds being applied flawlessly and in a prolonged fashion.  He knew that in a competitive bout, the submission holds could be unpredictable or applied too quickly to get a good look at.  And so, enter the Punishment Round: a chance for the winner, who competitively fought her way to victory, to savor the moment and take her sweet time applying "picture perfect" holds on her defeated rival.  It was like an extended victory posing session... except that it wasn't just posing; indeed, the holds here were intended to make the loser submit.

Other fans saw this Punishment Round and were so pleased by the idea that they requested we include Punishment Rounds in every competitive match, both F/F and mixed, going forward.  And we were glad to add the Punishment Round in as a new fixture!

(granted, if a visiting wrestler is opposed to having a Punishment Round in a competitive bout, we can also waive it.  However, almost every competitive match since the initial introduction has had a Punishment Round)

Who's the Most Punishing?

It does certainly seem that wrestlers with the most experience administering Punishment Rounds are the most punishing!  

I've found it amusing to watch how wrestlers develop as "punishers," from their very first time administering a Punishment Round and onward to their subsequent instances.  I really took note of this when a fan requested a compilation of Ursa's Punishment Rounds.  I dove in to pull together the footage for a compilation, and I was struck by Ursa's style development between her first Punishment Round and her most recent.  As her confidence and experience increased, so did her comfort with sitting harder into the holds and toying more with her opponents.


So, do people with more wins deal out more punishing Punishment Rounds?  Maybe!  For the most part, you can say yes.  Take VeVe for example: lots of wins to gain her lots of chances to administer Punishment Rounds... and her Punishment Rounds can be brutal with tight holds, hard squeezing, repeated squeezing, making losers count out their submissions, bullying, taunting, and general unpleasantness for the defeated opponents!

Granted, there are exceptions.  For instance, inexperienced punishers who impressed me include Queen Beth and Rachel DD.  

Queen Beth got to administer her very first Punishment Round in her second video match ever.  She'd suffered through punishment from VeVe only days before she got to turn things around and dish out the punishment to Taylor.  

Beth doesn't yet have a wide vocabulary of the classic "underground wrestling" holds or pro-style holds that are commonly used to display or humiliate one's defeated opponent, so she instead improvised to suitably flaunt her victory.  She used a mixture of competitive-style holds combined with strutting, smack talking, gloating, making her opponent massage her, and making her opponent into her throne.  Quite queenly!

Rachel DD also ran a nice, though somewhat atypical, Punishment Round in her victory over Kim Chi (aka Michi).  Rachel is a wrestler who doesn't get many opportunities to savor Punishment Rounds; rather, she's more often the one on the receiving end of them!

Now, this instance with Rachel was unusual in that it too place *before* we started doing Punishment Rounds!  This match was in July 2016.  It was a particular custom commission that had request a victory round for the winner.  Rachel pulled out the hard-fought win and then impressed us with a nicely-done Punishment Round involving foot domination, tickling, and lovely taunting.  She hasn't had very many other opportunities since then, but this one did strike me as both impressive and surprising!

Where do Punishment Rounds go from here?

I'm personally fond of the Punishment Rounds, as they have been developing.  I am especially fond of Punishment Rounds where the victor is satisfied and confident and knows what she wants!  

It's also amusing when fans suggest or request certain holds be incorporated into Punishment Rounds and then the victorious wrestler picks up on the suggestion.  It's almost like an unspoken shout-out.  Aralia's Camel Clutch is a good example of this.  It was a fan suggestion that really stuck with her.  And the Camel Clutch has now becoming one of her signature punishing moves.


Aside from fan suggestions, we tend to let the victorious wrestlers have total free reign during their Punishment Rounds.  They choose their own holds, their own personal tone.  They decide in the moment how they want to interact with their defeated opponent, whether they will use long holds or many holds.

In a way, the Punishment Round is as much a test for the winner as it is for the loser!  The winner gets a chance to show off her dominating abilities, or perhaps to try them out for the first time, or to develop them with each new Punishment Round.  She's on the spot after a bout of competitive physical exertion.  She was just priorly showing her stuff in the fight, and now she gets to show her stuff, in a different mode, in the bonus round.

But anyway...

Punishment Rounds are here to stay!  A victory lap, a bonus round, a chance to show-off, a chance to hit the bull's eye with fans' hold suggestions, a extended victory posing session, a chance to make you opponent regret whatever mistakes she or he made during the match.  The Punishment Round: it's not just the thrill of victory; it's what you do with that victory that counts!




Sunday, July 27, 2014

The Conflict of Modern Underground Female Wrestling

Hey there, Gentle Readers.

Now, mind you, I normally avoid topics of controversy (uh oh...), but recent Twitterings have gotten my attention and have moved me to speak out.

I recently read a piece discussing how Brazilian jiujitsu ("BJJ") is threatening to dominate the underground female wrestling video industry.  The claim implied that technical styles of grappling are not as interesting or, one can infer, not as sexy as instinctive, untrained squeezing and pressing.

Sure, I can definitely see that.  Raw passions, innocent risk-taking, and wild fury may very well have greater appeal for an underground audience than sportsman-like chess playing.  It was implied that it is better to see untrained ladies performing hard, strenuous wrestling than experienced grapplers on the mats together.  Indeed, one can see the appeal, surely.  However, we need to consider a few things before we can move on.

Firstly, from a production stand-point, unbridled, untrained, "anything goes" is like playing Russian roulette when it comes to competitive underground wrestling.  How long will it be before one wrestler turns the wrong way while in an incidental lock, before another gets her neck cranked in a headlock, before too much random leg tangling leads to the loss of a knee ligament... All is well and good, until injury happens.  And when bad injuries occur in the underground, some really bad feelings can result.

But training and experience can greatly reduce the number of accidental, ignorance-based injuries.  For one, wrestlers will be less likely to attempt potentially self-damaging movements (I keep thinking of forcefully spinning the wrong way out of a heel hook - which can potentially happen incidentally).  Furthermore, the wrestler will be more likely to immediately realize when she or her opponent are in a potentially damaging situation or position, and she will be able to adjust for safety.

But I risk digression here.  I just deleted a bunch of technical digression, actually.  Back to the topic at hand.

The Conflict of Style

I have seen these comments time and time again.  To paraphrase: No one fights "Old School" anymore!  The women are using grappling styles that are too efficient!  Scissors and smothers are being defeated by new-fangled grapple-y techniques in "open" underground competition.

Some people long for the good old days, before submission grappling schools became ubiquitous and when underground wrestlers relied on trial-and-error in the moment.  What's a quick and easy way to cause pain?  Scissoring with your legs.  What's a quick and easy way to cause discomfort?  Smothering the opponent's face.  Untrained wrestlers can find these techniques quickly and easily, and against other untrained wrestlers these attacks can be quite effective.  They are universally accessible.

Indeed, when I first tried underground wrestling many years ago, I submitted someone by front body scissors, just on instinct.

But these easily accessible techniques are also easily countered.  As people are inclined to do, wrestlers sought ways to overcome these obstacles.

In the 1990s, on the "mainstream" stage, we saw the emergence of the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC).  In the early UFC, we saw representatives from different martial arts come together to fight in "mixed martial arts" competition.  The early events were dominated by the representative for Brazilian jiujitsu, Royce Gracie.  As a result, BJJ grew tremendously in popularity, often championed as a way for a smaller/weaker opponent to overcome an untrained larger/stronger opponent.

Over time, BJJ schools grew in number, branching out across the nation and the world, and providing opportunities for adults to learn an efficient grappling martial art.

And please note where I say "adult."  By this, I mean "non-school-age person" or, more specifically, "someone who is no longer playing sports on a school team."  Indeed, someone on a school wrestling team has great access to wrestling training, but someone who is not on the team or who has already graduated has a very hard time accessing regular, formalized wrestling training... but BJJ and no-gi submission grappling are actually quite accessible for adult people.  They are our most accessible form of wrestling and grappling education at this time.

Female wrestler Helen von Mott was one of the first, if not the first, underground female wrestler to bring her BJJ education to the underground scene.  In fact, she even earned her BJJ black belt while still operating in our industry.  Helen became legendary as an underground wrestler, known to be extremely skilled and confident, and she also demonstrated just how effective BJJ style training can be in the mixed / female wrestling environment.  She even visited us here in NYC to show our local ladies some essential techniques and encourage all to take up BJJ training (easy to do with schools so accessible).

And so, Brazilian jiujitsu had entered the waters.  Its effectiveness in mixed wrestling and against untrained opponents became obvious to see: by using leverage, off-balancing techniques, and a new arsenal of submission attacks, trained women started snatching victories from untrained (and sometimes larger) opponents.

Indeed, this style of training even provides the weaponry needed to escape from and defeat incidentally-applied scissorholds and smothers.  How great!  Who could ask for anything more!

Since BJJ style training is so accessible nowadays, many ladies have added basic techniques to their repertory.  However, a downside does come of all this.  Perhaps several downsides.

One is the guard position.  I personally don't have issues with the guard position, provided it is an active, aggressive guard that is just a stepping stone to a sweep or submission.  However, less experienced grapplers can lack the skill and confidence needed to progress from the bottom of guard and/or conservative opponents may make no attempts to pass the guard if there are no penalties for stalling.  The result of those cases is a match with very little movement, few changes of position, and one big neutral position.

The next problem is the "calm" mentality that results from BJJ training.  Generally speaking, the more experience one has in this style, the more likely that she will approach the match in a thoughtful, technical, chess-game state of mind.  "Anger faces" become more rare, impulsive and passionate random movements become more rare, and the match can become more of an athletic discussion and/or surgical dismantling, rather than a clash-and-bash festival.

Next problem: the game is now top-heavy!  While many ladies have accessible to jiujitsu and submission grappling training, many others still do not.  So, in a world where prior training is becoming the norm, untrained newcomers and veterans alike are finding it harder and harder to win.  In a world where everyone was playing by instinct, size and strength - or random anomaly - were often the determining factors.  But now, with no formal skill level divisions in the industry, the game has changed to be potentially less inclusive.

What is this Brave New World like?

It's sporty.  At least this is how it appears to me.  It's competitive, certainly.  It does start to run noticeably parallel with the mainstream.  And not everyone is pleased about that.

Two points I want to touch on here:
1. Sexiness
2. Competition

As to Sexiness...  one of my follow community members notes that jointlocks and technical athletics just don't have the same "sex appeal" as squeezing scissorholds and pressing smothers.  I have two thoughts here, and my initial thought is this: Imprinting.

If, back in your "formative years," your first encounter with underground wrestling, be it mixed or female, was filled with images of ladies fighting competitively with scissorholds and smothers, then I would dare say you may have become inclined to seeing fighting with scissors and smothers.  These moves were the bread and butter, and who can have wrestling that sexy-looking without them?  That's how it's done!  That's how it first appeared to you.  And, if you liked what you saw, then that's how it should always be.  Changes to the game, and the decline in use of these moves, for better or worse, are just... for worse.

But what if, theoretically, you never cared for scissors and smothers, but the first time you saw a triangle hold, or a mounted triangle, or even an armbar, what if then you had a little light go on saying "how sexy!"  Furthermore, what if you weren't even around during the Old Days and instead your first encounter with underground wrestling featured small girls defeating larger girls by using slippery skill and mounted triangles... and what if you liked that very much... ?

Now, I grant you, squeezing and pressing is generally "sexier" and more sensual than putting pressure on a knee or elbow from off to the side.  Probably a greater number of people find this to be the case.  Body-to-body pressure in a slow, smothering manner, with sweat and (insert your favorite attire choice), the grueling strength battle, bulging muscles, gritting teeth, wild hair (like, think 80s hair), pressing, squeezing. But anyway, just consider this.

So Why Change?

Competition... Most people like to win.  But the competitive lady wrestlers really like to win.  And none want to lose.  Especially when being video recorded.

In a given match, the wrestler will do whatever she can within the rules (ahem) to secure her victory.  Or, at least, to prevent herself from losing.

We've established that BJJ and formal submission grappling training can teach a wrestler how to grapple more efficiently: conserve energy, escape from holds, launch time-tested techniques.  And we've discussed how underground ladies are incorporating this style in order to stay ahead of the game - or how previously-trained ladies can quickly rise to the top.  But what has happened to the scissors and smothers?

Since they are easily escaped and countered by trained grapplers, scissors and smothers may be falling behind in top-level underground wrestling competition.

Well, says I, that's easy to fix!  Why not just change the rules to make it "Scissors and Smothers Only" or "No closed guard" or "No joint attacks"?

But!

You. Can't. Change. The. Rules.

What?!  Rubbish, of course you can change the rules.  You can make whatever rules you want.  Furthermore, have we even established what The Rules are?

You. Can't. Change. The. Rules.

Yeah, but - what rules?  What are these unspoken rules?  We know there are rules, because, for one, you aren't allowed to kill or maim you opponent.  So, there, that's one rule I have divined.  We kind of think there are no small joint manipulations allowed (bending fingers or toes), but no one ever really mentions it.  We know there's no striking.  We kind of think that all submissions are allowed, by default, but we also do not allow submissions by hair pulling (or do we??).  So, what are the rules?  Do we really know?  And if we don't have them written down, why can't we legitimately offer variations?  And, by the way, who exactly is "we".....?

So, things change but they don't change?

The Rules =  female submission wrestling.    ...?

Isn't it perplexing?  What if we had an underground circuit for scissors and smothers wrestling?  Would it have a following?  I suppose, if you build it.... maybe it's worth a shot.  But one of my esteemed colleagues says that "special rules" are just a "side show" to the Main Event.  Indeed, there is some phenomenon out there in the wide world that says "Scissors and Smothers Only" is not the "pure" default.

I asked Keri for her opinion on the matter.

On Twitter, I asked her how she would feel about winning a match using a scissorhold.  Also on Twitter, she replied:

"i wouldn't be proud of a match won w/ scissors..no technical skill needed."

In response, I asked:

"But, Keri, how would you feel is only scissor submissions were allowed?"

And she replied:

"same way. I'd do it and it would be fun, but I would not count it as any part of win/loss record."

How intriguing!  And thank you, Keri, for adding this very valuable point of view!

Win/loss record matters to the lady wrestlers.  But what counts toward the win/loss record?  It seems like only matches that follow The Rules.

Sadly, under The Rules, draws are allowed to happen.  I think this is a key problem to complaints about the New Way.

Since a draw is not a loss, modern wrestlers may be inclined to fight for the draw.  This means less risk-taking, more conservative styles, fewer attempts are scissors and smothers against high-level opponents.  Low-percentage but potentially interesting/entertaining moves go out the window (such as risky guard pass attempts, school girl pins, or attempting headscissors from the bottom of guard).  And, instead, a match may come down to a takedown followed by guard position for the entire rest of the time.

Attempting to pass someone's guard is risky.  You can get swept and then stuck on the bottom after being so happily on top.  So, if there are no penalties for not attempting a pass, why risk it?  If you are pinning your opponent and The Rules do not specify Pins, then why bother with a submission attempt that could lead to the opponent's escape?  As it is, there is no downside to a draw.  And this can lead to "slower" modern matches, which are not slow because of sensual body pressing.

So, What Are We to Do?

If the underground wrestling world is uncomfortable with the modern developments of the game, then what can be done about it?

1. Change the rules.
    I know, I know, this leads to a lot of belly-aching.  But if you want to see the trained grappler girls fighting on instinct and impulse, you need to put them in an environment that is new to them.  It's just like periodization in weight training: once you've adapted to a stimulus, you need to vary that stimulus in order to get new, dynamic results.

2. Do not allow draws.
    This one is tough to implement, since draws have been allowed by default.  Indeed, some women may refuse to compete if they knew a winner had to be determined somehow.

    I disallowed draws in our competitive matches perhaps a year or two ago.  I've tried several tie-breaking techniques, such Sudden Death overtime, arm wrestling, positional point scoring, and judge's decision.  Of all of these, I think the most satisfying is Sudden Death overtime, but that can make the match unreasonably lengthy...
   ............. but just think about it - if you came into a match knowing that it would never end unless someone won, wouldn't that light a fire under you?

    I think the least satisfying is arm wrestling.  That's a totally different game.

    The jury is out on Judge's Decision.  I am actually a submission grappling referee, so I am used to deciding matches by decision in the mainstream world.  We select a winner based on "skillful aggression" - whoever tried for the most things, whoever took the most skillful risks and pressed the advantage.  However, I don't get the impression that the underground scene as a whole is prepared to accept Judge's Decision.  But I'm not sure - maybe the ladies would accept it...

3. Standardize Pins-and-Submissions as the default
    This may be considered "changing the rules," but a number of people, particularly in mainland Europe, tend to lean toward Pins-and-Submissions as a potential default.

But really, at the end of the day, it all comes down to what the ladies and the rest of the community will accept as The Rules.

If I say "no draws" for my company, then people will just think it is just a unique quirk of ours.  However, if I can somehow, for example, mobilize my wrestlers and colleagues to accept the "no draws" policy, then we might be on to something.  However, if the promise of a not-loss (aka draw) is very lucrative, then it might be difficult to get rid of draws.

Whew, so there you have it!  These are my words on the topic for this lovely, humid summer afternoon here in New York City.  I'm motivated to try putting together some new female competitive matches with new faces (however, fantasy FF, mixed, and bondage wrestling are far more popular, I find... but that's a topic for another day).

Maybe MAYBE I can conduct some video interviews on the matter with the ladies.  That would be just swell!  But in the meantime, I leave you to muse on the matter.  And, as always, my ears and inbox are always open, and I'd love to hear your comments on the subject.  (I'm really quite friendly, under the right circumstance ;-D  )

Thanks for reading, and catch you all later!